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PostPosted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 9:05 am    Post subject: what is "anime" to you? Reply with quote

Brought on a conversation I had yesterday, how do you define anime? what is aniem to you, does it have to have been animated in Japan, or soursed from Japanese creators or both.

My local Virgin store has the jetix show W.I.T.C.H. in the anime section, but I don't think it is, it's drawn and animated in an anime style but not anime. Same goes for Totally Spies.

But then you get titles like Oban Star Racers, soursed in france but go produced, is this anime to you?
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 9:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I count anime as animation from Japan. I know of lot of the stuff is actually animated in Korea, but if the main workings of it (the direction, key-animation etc) is mainly done in Japan I'd count it as anime.

I don't really consider Oban anime, but I do will other stuff like Ulysses 31 and Dogtanian (made in Japan for foreign audiences).

I'm not a fan that's totally exclusive to Japanese animation, if a show's good, then I'll watch it anyway.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 9:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It depends on the level of co-production. I think Oban counts as anime for example.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 11:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think I'll agree with Oban as anime but only as much as the other co-productions like Dogtanian and Ulysses, but both of those can be found in the HMV childrens section not the anime section which probaly is where you'd find Oban (if and when) which then brings it down to, is the discrimination down to the art style as much as the shows production origins.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 11:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

For me, if it was produced in Japan (even in part, again mentioning Korea) then it's anime. Series such as Oban, Dogtanian and Ulysses are anime for me.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 2:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think pining as anime or not absed on where it is HMV is a bit silly Wink

I mean Pokemon is an anime, but dvds of that go in the kids section Smile
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 3:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sometimes I wish that we could use anime in the Japanese sense of the word, as in all animation.

But then I'd want to discount Disney. Razz

It goes without saying that for me, if the production is wholly, or even mostly Japanese then it's anime.

If it is partially produced in Japan, and especially if it follows a recognisable style, then yes it's anime, Oban certainly is.

More personally, I'd say that anime is animation that caters for a certain audience, and doesn't pander or broaden to a wider group. Most Western animations try to capture a large demographic, but occasionally something comes along with an adult, or mature sensibility, that freaks out the establishment.

Shows like Aeon Flux, movies like Fritz the Cat, Bebe's Kids, and even to a certain degree Titan AE all transcend the traditional Western view of animation as being 'for kids'. I usually consider titles like these, honorary anime.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 4:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Much as with manga, anime is animation that was directed/produced largely in Japan. Co-productions, such as Oban and IGPX count in this despite the western influence but the majority of the "key" work should be done in/by Japan to be properly labelled as anime in the English meaning of the word.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 5:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

IanC wrote:
I think pining as anime or not absed on where it is HMV is a bit silly Wink

I mean Pokemon is an anime, but dvds of that go in the kids section Smile

I'm not saying I do that, but HMV does, if dogtanian isn't an oban is, both are french co-produced but one looks more anime than the other. Starfleet (X-Bomber) was marionation but again was Japanese/french co-produced, and I'd be surprised if any of us consider it "anime"
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 7:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Does anyone here consider Japanese CGI films as anime? I'm talking about heavy CGI like Appleseed and Advent Children - stuff which is predominantly 3D in its technique.

I generally like them, but they have a different feel to regular 2D-directed style. They have different styles and focus a lot on realistic motion so not sure how to consider them. Confused (I feel this way about American CGI films as well, so maybe it's not exclusive to anime)
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 8:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yes, I consider CGI films as anime. Just because they're animated using computers, doesn't remove the fact they are animated and from japan.

here's another interesting question:
Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within

anime or not?

The basic idea of the story is from Japan, but it was animated in honolulu
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 8:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fudce wrote:
honolulu

lol. Love that name.

errr, Spirits Within. No, thats not anime imo.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 8:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well Dictionary.com says

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–noun a Japanese style of motion-picture animation, characterized by highly stylized, colorful art, futuristic settings, and sexuality and violence.


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[Origin: < Japn, borrowing of E animation]


Guess they have a tabloid view for that one.

For me it's as simple as animation from Japan. Any produced elsewhere is anime style not true anime.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 9:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Im boring, Anything animated/created by Japanese artists etc.
Lets face it, anythings gotta be better than the word Japanimation! *shivvers*
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 19, 2007 8:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fudce wrote:
yes, I consider CGI films as anime. Just because they're animated using computers, doesn't remove the fact they are animated and from japan.

Yes and no, as i would refer to them as "CG anime" when talking about them, you've got the smaller titles liek Yuki terai: Secrets, and Virtual Idol that got released. Yuki Terai was Japans first virtual idol IIRC, so yep they are anime but not int eh same sense and becuase Cg is so distinictive that's why the "cg anime" pre-fix.

As for FF:Spirits within, that walks a finer line but personally I'd say no.
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