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gradian · Hardcore Poster Joined: 07 Aug 2006 Posts: 302

I have been reading the www.animenewsnetwork.com web site and found the article. Bandai: Don not Fansub Ghost in the Shell film. article here.

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/article.php?id=9410

I wonder how there going to go about doing this but I think I remember Bandai has tried something about illegal copies of there titles before. they do seem to be the leader when it comes to protecting there license

So what every one else think

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gradian · Hardcore Poster Joined: 07 Aug 2006 Posts: 302

I have been thinking about this for some time and would have to admit that I do view fansubs when I have them but for me its anime that has not yet or never will be licanced like captain harlock the original TV and a few other but I think if they really what to stop this then it will come down to Japan to find a way of copyrighting there anime in all contrays at once.

I do know that this would be a big task but as the industry grows to be comeing a world wide market it's most like going fall down to them.

I think its something that you'll never get rid of truly but if you keep on bushing it will most like hide deeper in the net

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EOA Unit 1 · Novice Joined: 23 Aug 2006 Posts: 31 Location: Herts

The fansub issue is always gonna be a problem for the industry. The thing is, is that there would be no anime industry at all, outside of japan were it not for fansubs (this is a fact), so phasing them out or shutting them down isn't the answer. The industry has to find a way to work with the fansubbers rather than against them. This is the only way forward in my opinion.

I think that the only way to sort this out would be to start releasing series online (via fansub efforts, with industry backing perhaps) at the same time as DVD. However the global, boarderless nature of the net shoots this idea down somewhat. Bridges should be built in front of you, before you destroy them behind you. We'll never know what will happen until someone tries this idea (I know some do legal first episodes online stateside already, so that's a good start, but perhaps more attention is needed).

We've all seen this dance of legality and copyright before with the music and film industries, and to be honest its an eternal dance that only an electromagnetic bomb to finish the net or the end of the world would put a halt to. While I understand where they are coming from by enforcing their rights, I feel there's a very american attitude to go into the situation all guns blazing, instead of talking and communicating with fan sub groups more. By getting them onside something could be worked out to suit both parties. Always talk and negotiate first before you fire a single shot, such actions will lead to greater victory in the long run.

I hope this all gets sorted out mind. I'm sure many of the fansub groups out there will cooperate with Bandai's request out of respect for the anime industries roots (in fansubbing) outside of japan. You'll always have a renegade or two who won't comply.

There's already enough free stuff online, so to be honest fansubbers are getting off lightly by complying.

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Toraman · Shinigami Joined: 08 Aug 2006 Posts: 2122 Location: London

botmaster2005 · Ninja In Training Joined: 08 Aug 2006 Posts: 874

I can't help but think Bandai are sort of provoking the fansub community a little with this threat. Maybe just saying "we have the rights" would've been enough, its neutral and most people understand the basics of copyright.
This "we'll hunt y'all down!" kind of talk just makes some (probably only a small minority) people want to do it more just to cheese Bandai off.
Sorry, just thinking out loud Smile

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Damo · Posted: Thu Aug 24, 2006 10:19 am Post subject:

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I think EOA unit 1 meant back in ol' days when nobody was properly distrobuting anime and peeps had not other choice but to make home made fansubs on amigas and stuff (yep, I watched the documantary on the animatrix DVD!) Very Happy

It is sort of a twisted irony.... I think Confused

But like you say, those anime guys spent a lot of money to make the anime and lot of their love too, if I was in their shoes I'd be just as annoyed.
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Gawyn · Elite Poster Joined: 09 Aug 2006 Posts: 576

PaleBlack · Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2008 9:58 pm Post subject:

Reviving an old thread, again *beams*

I would never have got into anime without fansubs. And I mean never. I was under the impression it was all porn (yes, I was one of THOSE people!) Not that I ever met anybody who watched anime to disabuse me of that notion.

The person who introduced me into anime got me there through fansubs - but, I now buy every show I've seen on DVD. Unless I hated it...which I think is fair enough as you can normally tell that from the first episode.

Fansubbing is always going to be a problem for distributors, the same as piracy is for Hollywood etc. etc. But I do agree that fansubbers aren't just greedy people out to do it for cash and to break the law. A lot fansubbers ask people to cease distribution once the show is licensed, and any show that is licensed I for one would not watch fansubbed.

Fansubbing is a good way to introduce people to a new anime without them having to spend £20 on it, and I think that for shows that will never be licensed, or for the first episode of shows that are about to licensed, it's probably overall a beneficial thing, similar to people in Japan being able to see parts of the anime on television. Without fansubs, distributors will lose a section of fandom which would not buy before seeing, if that makes any sense.

That said, it needs to be regulated, especially the people that do exploit it. I guess in the end, it's never going to be stamped out, but the fansubbers and the distributors do need to attempt to work together, and as always, just plain hope that people are moral about watching and buying anime.

Now that I've rehashed the entire argument, not added anything, and have general blarged my way through a shallow argument, I'm off to bed! *shuffles off to sleep*

Fudce · Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2008 10:26 pm Post subject:

It's good that it got you in anime, and you do now buy DVDs. I have a question. I'm not implying anything or even forcing an answer:

-You say you don't buy those series you don't like, and that you can normally tell by episode 1. Do you still watch all of the series on fansub?

The "Fansubbers code" is all well and good, but unfortunatly a lot of groups don't support it, and continue distributing even when the series is licenced. Also, some of those that appear to follow it, have a second name, and release the series under that name once it has been licenced. Also bear in mind that many series these days are part-funded by US companies, and are effectivly licenced prior to it even airing on Japanese TV.

The problem is that it's people like us, who follow the fansub watchers code of downloading only unlicenced series, buying what we see, and deleting them once we've seen them, that don't need convincing. It is the type of viewer that subs licence series, uploads episodes of dubbed anime onto video websites, and even charge for their subs, that need convincing.
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Gawyn · Elite Poster Joined: 09 Aug 2006 Posts: 576

Just to expound on what Fudce said, there are by far too many people who believe it is their right to be able to watch stuff for free and never to contribute to the source of their hobby (through purchase of DVDs and such). It annoys me that these people seem to think that they are contributing to the "community" of anime. I can understand people being wary of spending £20 or so blind with no knowledge of a title but watching, enjoying it and then refusing to buy it because of some spurious reason (the series was fun but the end was awful; the dub is terrible, etc) I find to be quite... offensive. I personally have always endeavoured to pay for the things I derive enjoyment from and find that you enjoy them all the more for the investment in them.

I am of two minds on the fansub debate. As a method of seeing the latest shows as they air in Japan it is a great source, as it is for series that have not been (and in many cases never will be) licenced (I was pleasantly surprised to see a fansub group start subtitling an anime version of Starship Troopers from 1988, which I never knew existed). Conversely it does attract a great many who do not contribute anything to the industry as a whole. Whatever side of the fence you fall on, it is a strong certainty that it cannot be stopped completely. There will always be people who seek something for free and there will always be those who supply them.

PaleBlack · Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2008 5:13 pm Post subject:

No I don't then watch the entire series. Actually, I think I've done that once with Love Hina which I started out liking and then HATED viciously.

Other than that one slip Sad

I don't watch any more after the first episode. To be honest, there's no point with something I don't like. I'd rather waste my time on some other vice Very Happy

People should never take watching anime as a right. Or watching anything as a right. And they should pay for it as they watch like they do with all other things.

That said, you get people who download films and tv programs as well, so I guess it's going to just always be everywhere. It's a little more rife in anime though.